Indice del forum Informazioni sull'Islam
In nome di Allah, il Compassionevole, il Misericordioso Dì, "Egli, Allah è Unico, Allah è l'Assoluto. Non ha generato, non è stato generato e nessuno è eguale a Lui". (Corano 112, 1-4)
 
 FAQFAQ   CercaCerca   Lista utentiLista utenti   GruppiGruppi   RegistratiRegistrati 
 ProfiloProfilo   Messaggi privatiMessaggi privati   Log inLog in 

About Rajam (stoning to death)

 
Nuovo argomento   Rispondi    Indice del forum -> -Servizio Fatawa - Responsi giuridici!-
Precedente :: Successivo  
Autore Messaggio
Ads






Inviato: Dom Lug 12, 2020 7:56 am    Oggetto: Ads

Top
Clean
Affezionato
Affezionato


Registrato: 25/06/10 03:54
Messaggi: 55
Residenza: Roma

MessaggioInviato: Mar Giu 29, 2010 1:24 pm    Oggetto: About Rajam (stoning to death) Rispondi citando

As-salâmu 'alaikum wa rahmatullâhi ta'âlâ wa barakatu

I want to ask you about a difference between a Hadith muslim and a Hadith bukhari which both talk about "stoning to death". The differences are :

The first Hadith (Muslim) : mentioned a verset of the holy Quran which talk about stoning

The second Hadith (Bukhari) : did not mentione the verset about stoning.

Hadith muslim :

'Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported that 'Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.
(Book 017, Number 4194)

Hadith Bukhari :

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."
(Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816)

I know (and I think - you will confirm) that the verset of the first hadith is a verset abrogated. Allah says in the Holy Qur'an :

مَا نَنسَخْ مِنْ آيَةٍ أَوْ نُنسِهَا نَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍ مِّنْهَا أَوْ مِثْلِهَا أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللّهَ عَلَىَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ


"We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
(Quran 2:106)

So, my question is :

Why 'Umar (Radiya-llâhu 'anhu) said " the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah" ? Is it because he thought that people will not understand the Holy Qur'an saying that this sentence doesn't exist ? Or because this verset is an abrogated verset (so it doesn't exist anymore) ? And why after he said "Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book" ? Is it a contradiction ? Which verset is talking about ?

Some people attack islam by this way, that's why I am asking you. And I will very happy to know your answer. Barakallâhu fik yâ Sheikh !

Allah yahdina wa yuthabbit qulubana !

_________________
"O uomini, vi abbiamo creato da un maschio e da una femmina e abbiamo fatto di voi popoli e tribù, affinché vi conosceste a vicenda. Presso Dio, il più nobile di voi è colui che più Lo teme. In verità Dio è sapiente, ben informato." (Corano, 49:13)
Top
Profilo Invia messaggio privato
Ismail Moosa
Maulana Mufti Sahab
Maulana Mufti Sahab


Registrato: 26/10/09 13:42
Messaggi: 181
Residenza: South Africa

MessaggioInviato: Sab Lug 03, 2010 8:21 am    Oggetto: Rispondi citando

Wa’alaykum as Salām wa raḥmatullāhi wa barakātuhu,

‘Umar (May Allah Ta'ala be pleased with him) was referring to the following verse:

الشيخ والشيخة "إذا زنيا" فارجموهما

“An elderly man and elderly woman, if they fornicate, then stone them.”

Although the tilāwah (recitation) of this verse was abrogated, the ruling still remains. Due to the abrogation of the tilāwah, ‘Umar (May Allah Ta'ala be pleased with him) felt that people will deny the ruling.

والوجه الثاني أن ينسخ خطه ويبقى حكمه وذلك نحو قول عمر بن الخطاب لولا أن يقول قوم زاد عمر في كتاب الله لكتبتها بيدي الشيخ والشيخة "إذا زنيا" فارجموهما البته بما قضيا من اللذة نكالا من الله والله عزيز حكيم فقد قرأناها (التمهيد لما في الموطأ من المعاني والأسانيد – (4 / 276)

قوله : (أنزل الله آية الرجم) وهي : الشيخ والشيخة إذا زنيا فارجموهما ألبتة لكن نسخت تلاوتها دون حكمها. (حاشية السندى على صحيح البخارى – (4 / 83)

And Allāh Ta’ālā knows best.

Wassalām,

Ismail

_________________
Ismail Moosa
Darul Iftaa, Miftaahulkhair
Benoni, South Africa

Solamente gli utenti registrati possono vedere link su questo forum!
Registrati oppure Autenticati su questo forum.


Resident Mufti at

Solamente gli utenti registrati possono vedere link su questo forum!
Registrati oppure Autenticati su questo forum.

Top
Profilo Invia messaggio privato HomePage
Clean
Affezionato
Affezionato


Registrato: 25/06/10 03:54
Messaggi: 55
Residenza: Roma

MessaggioInviato: Dom Lug 04, 2010 3:30 am    Oggetto: Rispondi citando

Barakallâhu fik ! Now I understand :-)

_________________
"O uomini, vi abbiamo creato da un maschio e da una femmina e abbiamo fatto di voi popoli e tribù, affinché vi conosceste a vicenda. Presso Dio, il più nobile di voi è colui che più Lo teme. In verità Dio è sapiente, ben informato." (Corano, 49:13)
Top
Profilo Invia messaggio privato
Iubelo
Disattivato
Disattivato


Registrato: 24/12/08 23:19
Messaggi: 246

MessaggioInviato: Dom Lug 04, 2010 11:51 am    Oggetto: Rispondi citando

Excuse me,respected Shaykh,I am curious of one thing:since Shias don't believe in the Rashidun caliphs )except Ali of course),how do they motivate stoning,since as far as I know they don't believe in what Umar said?Many thanks.
Top
Profilo Invia messaggio privato
Mostra prima i messaggi di:   
Nuovo argomento   Rispondi    Indice del forum -> -Servizio Fatawa - Responsi giuridici!- Tutti i fusi orari sono GMT + 1 ora
Pagina 1 di 1

 
Vai a:  
Non puoi inserire nuovi argomenti
Non puoi rispondere a nessun argomento
Non puoi modificare i tuoi messaggi
Non puoi cancellare i tuoi messaggi
Non puoi votare nei sondaggi
c d
e



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
phpbb.it

Abuse - Segnalazione abuso - Utilizzando questo sito si accettano le norme di TOS & Privacy.
Powered by forumup.it forum gratis free, crea il tuo forum gratis free ora! Created by Hyarbor & Qooqoa - Auto ICRA

Page generation time: 0.043